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A Chance to Get Your Foot in the Door:
Lisa Campbell
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Lisa Campbell is
a hard-working Republican from Chino Hills, a self-described “good little Catholic girl” and the mother of two
high-achieving teenage daughters. She grew up on a farm,
where her life revolved around athletics and 4H Club and
chores like hauling hay and vaccinating cattle. “I’ve always
been an all-American girl,” she says.
But Lisa Campbell’s traditional upbringing and solid,
farm-fresh values did nothing to prepare her for the
barriers she encountered as a woman entering the even more
traditional construction industry in Southern
California.
For nine years, Lisa Campbell, now 38, has had her own
business, as an environmental cleanup contractor. When she’s
not in the office, she can often be found clambering over
pipes, through tunnels, up in water towers and attics, and
in schools and refineries checking on asbestos, lead and
other environmental hazards. Campbell is hard to miss: She’s
the 5-foot-4 dynamo in the stylish jeans, plaid shirt,
turtleneck and work boots-and her trademark pink hard
hat.
Campbell is president and CEO of Diversified Associated,
her second environmental cleanup company, which she founded
in 1995. More recently, she and her husband divorced. Yet,
as she says, “The divorce hurt, but I tell you, Proposition
209 killed me. I’ve been through the wringer.”
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Lisa Campbell says she gets
by on the “hard work ethic” that her father,
a firefighter, drummed into all four of his daughters
on their farm near Tulsa. She is also proud of her achievements
as a woman in the “man’s world” of
contracting. She says she owes a debt to her gracious,
Venezuelan-born mother, who taught her four farm girls
how to be proper ladies—“to step out at
night as if we were stepping out of a hatbox.”
Campbell grew up an ardent environmentalist, giving 4H
Club and Chamber of Commerce speeches on water conservation
and recycling. After years of technical courses as a young
adult, she got her certification and entered the field as a
contractor, doing first asbestos cleanup and later lead
abatement, soil remediation, low-level nuclear waste cleanup
and related jobs. Although she was president of the firm,
she sometimes went out in the field herself, in a respirator
suit, scraping asbestos off a wall. And it’s work she’s
proud of: “I help people breathe easier.”
The hardest part was not gaining the expertise but
getting a foothold in the industry of large, male-dominated
corporations. Big companies looking for subcontractors want
someone with a proven background. But some of the public
agencies, like the gas and electric companies and the city
and county of Los Angeles, gave the young woman her first
opportunities.
Campbell explains:
“They said, ’You know what? Since we have this affirmative
action program, we’re going to ask you to give
us a bid on a small project.’ And the project
might have been $900 to $1000. At that time, I didn’t
care. I was just ecstatic that I was given the opportunity
to finally get my foot in the door.…I was able to
build my reputation”-which she did, not as a woman but
as a contractor.
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The political debate
these past few years over affirmative
action and Proposition 209 is a very personal matter for
Campbell. Once she had a staff that peaked at 150, with
crews working at up to 16 or 17 jobs at a time. The jobs
occasionally surpassed the million-dollar mark. Until
November of last year, she had a 10,000-square-foot
combination office and warehouse in Pomona, with 3800 square
feet devoted to the office staff. These days her staff is
down to just nine. The four office employees work out of the
spacious garage at her home. Her own office is in the dining
room. Heavy equipment and supplies are kept in a small
warehouse in a Chino strip mall.
Campbell says the business’ decline began when Governor
Wilson started abolishing affirmative action programs. It
got still worse after passage of Proposition 209. “I’m just
being lean and mean and downsizing,” she says, “because it’s
really hurt. After 209, there’s so much less out there. As a
woman in an all-male industry, I have to work harder and
smarter. We’re just not getting the requests for bids like
we once used to, because they just kinda want to deal with
their good old boy thing.”
Campbell has watched the decline of opportunity for women
contractors both on an individual and a statewide basis. For
two years she was the state vice president of Women
Construction Owners and Executives (WCOE). With contractors
required by the government to make good-faith efforts to
seek out women subcontractors to bid on state jobs, WCOE’s
fax machine was always humming with requests for bids-up to
40 or 50 faxes a week seeking everything from electrical and
plumbing contractors to earthmoving, asbestos abatement and
landscaping.
The whole tone changed with the governor’s 1995 executive
order curtailing affirmative action. WCOE’s faxes went down
to perhaps 20 or 25 a week, a cut of almost half, “and then
after the 209 election,” says Campbell, “I’m lucky to get
two. Maybe, on a good week, five, and that’s it. And there
are weeks that go by when we get nothing. And it’s not that
the work’s not out there. There’s plenty of work.”
Most women- and minority-owned construction contractors,
she says, are small businesses. They can’t afford to send
workers out daily to check all the government bulletin
boards. Nor can they afford the thousands of dollars it
costs to get a year’s subscription to trade publications
carrying advertisements for jobs. Without good-faith
requirements, she says, the work goes by default to the
large companies that government agencies have traditionally
dealt with. Those companies, in turn, have their traditional
networks of large all-male subcontractors.
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Campbell’s
experiences are echoed by other women contractors. One,
Carolyn Garrety, president of Continental Building Specialty
Co. in San Francisco, says she used to use a ream of fax
paper daily to handle the average of 50 bid requests she
received each day. Now, with affirmative action programs in
abeyance, she receives two or three bid requests a day. She,
too, says she can’t bid on projects because the general
contractors no longer notify her of the jobs. Garrety is
surviving by working on strictly private jobs where she has
pre-existing relationships with contractors.
Campbell praises some of the state’s major corporations
for their commitment to diversity-among the best are
Bechtel, Disney and OHM Remediation, she says-but they can’t
provide enough work to keep those fax machines humming or
her employees on jobsites.
Campbell emphasizes that affirmative action-mandated
faxes never guaranteed anyone a job. “If I’m qualified, if I
have the insurance and I have the bonding and I have all
this other stuff, I should be able to have the opportunity
to submit a bid. And with affirmative action, it forced
people to give other people the opportunity to bid. That’s
all they want. They don’t want, ’I’m a woman or I’m an
African American or I’m a Hispanic-you have to give me a
job.’ I have never, ever, ever won a contract because I’m a
woman and I’m a Hispanic. Never. I’ve always been low bid.
And I can tell you, more times than not, I didn’t win the
project, because my price was too high, or whatever, but I
always come back and say, thank you for giving me the
opportunity.”
Now, however, with no affirmative action enforcement on
many state and local jobs, “it’s like, ’You know what, you
need not apply-women need not apply, minorities need not
apply.’ Because of the stereotype that a woman and a
minority isn’t smart enough to run a company and their
workmanship is shoddy.”
Those attitudes are rooted in the male history of her
industry, and she can reel off anecdote after anecdote about
the crude behavior and demeaning remarks that she’s had to
endure from male colleagues who refuse to acknowledge that
women can play a legitimate role in construction. “We’re in
a man’s world out there.”
Some salesmen tell her they want to speak to the man in
charge. One inspector, when assured that she was in charge,
demanded, “What kind of experience do you have?” The same
inspector later looked at her $9.99 Guess shirt and asked, “Do you wear a designer bra and panties too?”
“And that was with affirmative action,”
Campbell says. “Now it’s even worse. The
animosity is terrible out there.” Emboldened by
the decline of affirmative action, she says, many men
see no reason to be civil to a woman, much less to offer
them an opportunity to bid on projects.
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On a number of
occasions, she has been advised that she’d have greater
success in getting bids if she put a man out front. Some of
the project managers and estimators “don’t want to deal with
women, period. And there are times that I’ve had Tim or Eric
or Marco or one of the other guys go out on job walks.” But
Campbell, as the president, still has to put the deal
together-often with information she wasn’t able to gather
herself.
But most hurtful of all is the line she hears again and
again when she inquires about bidding on a government
contract. It’s become a refrain for this post-Prop. 209
era:
“We don’t have to take your bid. There’s
no more good-faith effort.”
Will it get better for the next generation of women?
Campbell’s own daughters have no desire to follow her into
the family business, she says. “They’ve seen the hell that
I’ve gone through.”
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